Week 3 - Radical Empathy

Impartiality & Radical Empathy

Radical Empathy
  • Significant Influence on doing most-good

  • Moral Concern & Moral Patienthood

    • Moral Patient

      • Those that have experiences worthy of consideration

    • Moral Concern

      • Considering the well-being-impact of actions towards other Moral Patients

  • Skills constructive for Clarity of Moral Concern

    • Humility

      • Acknowledging the possibility that one's knowledge might be wrong

      • Acknowledging of uncertainty

      • Openness to update one's beliefs

    • Recognizing Track-record

      • Not trusting conventional wisdom

        • Society in the past as well as presently (2024) is committing moral discrimination

          • e.g., Slavery, Racism, Sexism, non-sentientism

    • Bravery

      • e.g., Abolitionist & feminist movement

    • Empathy

      • Ability to imagine one-self in another's subjective experience while recognizing having experiences that are worthy for moral concern

        • e.g., imagining the pain of an imprisoned, tortured human, pig, and recognizing that their experience is worthy of improving upon

    • Logical Reasoning

      • e.g., Jeremy Bentham (1747-1832) recommended the abolishment of slavery

  • Criteria for Moral Concern

    • Independent of geography, nationality, race

    • Dependent of capacity for pain & pleasure i.e., sentientism

  • Strange Implications following Clarity

    • Moral concern for e.g., insects, algorithms (e.g., AI)

Moral progress and "Cause X"

Similarities of EA & x

  • Scientific Revolution

    • EA is the pursuit of the good as the scientific revolution was the pursuit of the truth

  • Enlightenment

    • Enlightenment involved rethinking the best political systems to have

    • EA re-thinks the best actions

  • Utilitarianism

    • Utilitarianism uses reason and evidence in order to push things forward

    • It was about actively going out and doing good, not just on keeping your hands clean and not doing any wrong.

    • Involved being willing to question the status quo.

    • EA is not utilitarianism. It's a much broader church than that.

      • It allows for many diverse views about what makes someone's life go well.

        • It doesn't have to be just happiness.

        • And also about many other things mattering as well, such as equality between people or rights or many other aspects about morality.

Origins of EA

  • EA Mindset existed prior to EA

    • John Wesley

    • Jeff Kaufman did some good work finding cases of him directly advocating, only to give centuries ago

    • Jeremy Bentham

  • Toby Ord & William Mcaskill met at Oxford

    • Founded Giving What We Can and Will later Co-founded 80000hours.org

  • Medicine

    • Applied the scientific method to medicine.

      • 200 years after invention of the scientific method

    • Prioritization & cost-Effectiveness

      • 1968: the development of the quality-adjusted life year

      • 1999:the establishment in the UK of the National Institute for Clinical Excellence

  • Global Poverty

    • 1950s: Aid, as we know it, began via government and NGOs

    • Scientific Method began later

      • Long period with aid where the discussions were largely people from the armchair having disputes

      • Evidence replaced armchair debates

        • There's no more argument about that now because people actually just worked out the answer.

  • Giving What We Can: 10% Pledge

  • Give Well - Charity Evaluator

    • Combing with good ventures

  • Rationalism

    • The aims of the rationalist community

      • helping people to have more accurate beliefs about the world and helping people to better achieve those aims, whatever their aims are.

    • Overcoming Bias 2006

    • LessWrong in 2009

      • wanted to get quantitative about charity

  • Utilitarianism

    • e.g,. Felicifia

    • “Should we give now or should we invest the money and give later when you can give more?”

  • Animal Welfare

    • Factory farming has only become widespread in the 1960s.

    • Peter Singer in 1970s made his rallying cry to say that this was really problematic and we needed to take a whole lot of personal action in order to stop it

  • Existential Risk

    • Natural risks, are actually quite small, less than a tenth of a percent per century

    • Human-made risks in 1950s and 60s with the development of thermonuclear weapon

    • As soon as that happened, there was an anti-nuclear community in my parents' generation that was part of it.

  • Non-'EA' Facilitators

    • Education

      • There's much more mathematical and scientific literacy in the world

    • internet

      • It's enabled people with this mindset to find each other and build a community

    • Data

      • there's much more information about what's effective now

    • impact

      • It's only relatively recently that we've been able to do so much

      • Global poverty

        • We've only really been able to help since the 1950s

        • Prior to 1950s

          • state-based aid was actually imperial aid through the British Empire, prior to World War II.

          • NGOs didn't exist.

          • it was missionaries that you could fund.

Vision of EA

  • Change in Attitude

    • When we look at factory farming, when we look at existential risks, are problems that really just are about people's attitudes.

    • We don't need to have factory farms. We don't need to be taking risks with the long-run future of the human race.

  • Humility & Courage to speak up

    • How 'easy' it is to be oblivious to serious moral problems e.g.:

      • Atrocities like slavery, the deplorable treatment of foreigners, the subjugation of women, the persecution of people who aren't heterosexual, the persecution of animals today

      • Aristotle spent his entire life dedicated to thinking about how to lead an ethical life, and it just didn't occur to him that maybe keeping slaves was the wrong thing to do.

    • Cause X

      • What are the sorts of major moral problems that in several hundred years we'll look back and think

      • "Wow, we were barbarians!"? What are the major issues that we haven't even conceptualised today?

  • Intellectual Visionaries

    • Continued pursuit of Truth

      • How can we help others as much as possible?

      • How can we do the most good?

      • Not

        • ideology

        • set of prescriptions,

        • body of facts

        • set of recommended charities

        • list of preferred causes

The Possibility of an Ongoing Moral Catastrophe (Summary)

Follow the link as there is already a summary

On "fringe" ideas

What makes EA, EA?

Humility & Invitation for Debate

  • Imagine EA had existed at various other moments in history.

    • Would we have been doing any good, or would we have been too stuck in the assumptions of the time period?

    • Would an effective altruist movement in the 1840s U.S. have been abolitionist?

    • Would an effective altruist movement in the 1920s U.S. have been eugenicist?

  • I want us to be a community that wouldn’t have kicked them out

    • imagine someone walked into that 1840s EA group and said,

      • ‘I think black people are exactly as valuable as white people and it should be illegal to discriminate against them at all,”

    • Imagine someone walked into the 1920s EA group and said

      • “I think gay rights are really important.”

  • Open to the idea that our society is very wrong about important things

  • Healthy Attitude

    • How hard it is to arrive at true understandings of things, and how complicated and detailed reality is.

    • This has made it a lot easier for me to look at people who I feel are totally wrong-headed and be glad they’re trying, and hopeful that there’s some productive fruit down the path they’re walking

Verified Action

  • Actually be doing things that benefit the people who need it most.

    • Donations moved through GiveWell to top charities increased to $65 million.

    • If that number wasn’t impressive, and wasn’t increasing, I would be worried that we were failing as a community.

  • Continually monitoring for signs that the things we’re doing are actually doing harm, under lots of possible worldviews.

    • Warning signs

      • If recipients aren’t happy

      • efforts increase suffering, even if it’s in some weird way that’s hard to take seriously

      • forces systematically ensuring we don’t hear from recipients

Altruistic & Evidence-based Intention

  • 'if something is an argument for caring more about entities who are widely regarded as not worthy of such care, then even if the argument sounds pretty absurd, I am supportive of some people doing research into it. And if they’re doing that research with the intent of increasing everyone’s well-being and flourishing as much as possible, then they’re part of our movement’

Complimentary Action

  • I hope most of our efforts are dedicated to doing solid, clearly important things

  • At the same time, I hope we have space to hear out more speculative things

The case for caring about animal welfare

Factory Farming – 80,000 Hours Problem Profile

This post excludes wild animal welfare

Humility - Acknowledging Past Moral Mistakes

  • human sacrifice, gladiatorial combat, public executions, witch hunts, and slavery

Why care?

When to morally consider?

  • If you can make others better off — i.e. increase wellbeing — that’s a good thing to do.

  • It’s even better to make more individuals better off than fewer.

  • This is true equally, no matter who those individuals are (as long as, and to the extent that, they are capable of wellbeing).

  • The hedonistic view

    • where what matters is the degree of positive vs negative experienced mental states (e.g. happiness vs pain)

  • The preference satisfaction view

    • where wellbeing means getting what you (perhaps most deeply) want

  • Objective list theories

    • where wellbeing consists of achieving things on a ‘list’ of objectively good states or events, e.g. friendship, knowledge, happiness, love, virtue, wisdom, and health

Nonhuman Animals are probably sentient

  1. Broad similarity with humans

  2. Neurobiological features

    1. e.g., a large brain and a centralised, complex nervous system.

  3. Clear and complex nociception

    1. the physical states and behaviours associated with feeling pain in humans

    2. For example, having fibres that respond to dangerous stimuli (known as “nociceptors”), protective behaviour like wound guarding or limping, responding to painkillers, and learning to avoid things that cause nociceptors to fire.

  4. Other indicators of cognitive ability

    1. like play behaviour89, grief behaviour, mirror self-recognition, tool use, language capabilities, or theory of mind.

Scale

  • Kill 1.5-4.5 Trillions of farmed animals / year

    • Trying to compare nonhuman farmed animal deaths to human deaths would be 60 million to 800 billion humans per year

    • Similar to scale of the immediate consequences of a large nuclear war.

      • Over the course of a few decades is something like 100 times larger than the scale of the immediate consequences of a large nuclear war.

  • Vertebrates (e.g. cows, chickens, fish)

    • Kill somewhere between 400 billion and 3 trillion vertebrates

      • Most for food, few for sports, experiments

      • probably 120–210 billion vertebrates alive in farms at any given time

  • Invertebrates (e.g. octopuses, insects, crabs, snails, shrimp)

    • 1.6–4.5 trillion farmed animals killed per year

    • 350–700 billion animals alive in farms at any given time

  • Suffering during living

    • Poor methods for pre-slaughter stunning, and for slaughter itself

    • Extremely crowded and dirty living conditions

    • High rates of disease and injury

    • Particularly poor conditions during transport

    • Occasional withdrawals of food and water for extended periods

    • High rates of painful procedures, often carried out without anaesthetic

~95% in factory farms i.e., bad welfare conditions

Trend is increasing

Neglectedness

Tractability

Strategies for improving animal welfare

Animal Advocacy Careers (Website to explore)

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