Week 3 - Radical Empathy
Impartiality & Radical Empathy
Radical Empathy
Significant Influence on doing most-good
Recognizing the Importance of Deciding who is worthy of moral consideration
Potential implications for doing most good
Scale of Human Beings:
8bn (2024)
Scale of Non-Human Sentient Beings Farmed for Human Food:
Land Animals: 80 bn killed by humans every year (2021)
Fish 1.6 trillion every year killed for food (2016)
Moral Concern & Moral Patienthood
Moral Patient
Those that have experiences worthy of consideration
Moral Concern
Considering the well-being-impact of actions towards other Moral Patients
Skills constructive for Clarity of Moral Concern
Humility
Acknowledging the possibility that one's knowledge might be wrong
Acknowledging of uncertainty
Openness to update one's beliefs
Recognizing Track-record
Not trusting conventional wisdom
Society in the past as well as presently (2024) is committing moral discrimination
e.g., Slavery, Racism, Sexism, non-sentientism
Bravery
e.g., Abolitionist & feminist movement
Empathy
Ability to imagine one-self in another's subjective experience while recognizing having experiences that are worthy for moral concern
e.g., imagining the pain of an imprisoned, tortured human, pig, and recognizing that their experience is worthy of improving upon
Logical Reasoning
e.g., Jeremy Bentham (1747-1832) recommended the abolishment of slavery
Criteria for Moral Concern
Independent of geography, nationality, race
Dependent of capacity for pain & pleasure i.e., sentientism
Strange Implications following Clarity
Moral concern for e.g., insects, algorithms (e.g., AI)
Moral progress and "Cause X"
Similarities of EA & x
Scientific Revolution
EA is the pursuit of the good as the scientific revolution was the pursuit of the truth
Enlightenment
Enlightenment involved rethinking the best political systems to have
EA re-thinks the best actions
Utilitarianism
Utilitarianism uses reason and evidence in order to push things forward
It was about actively going out and doing good, not just on keeping your hands clean and not doing any wrong.
Involved being willing to question the status quo.
EA is not utilitarianism. It's a much broader church than that.
It allows for many diverse views about what makes someone's life go well.
It doesn't have to be just happiness.
And also about many other things mattering as well, such as equality between people or rights or many other aspects about morality.
Origins of EA
EA Mindset existed prior to EA
John Wesley
Jeff Kaufman did some good work finding cases of him directly advocating, only to give centuries ago
Jeremy Bentham
Toby Ord & William Mcaskill met at Oxford
Founded Giving What We Can and Will later Co-founded 80000hours.org
Medicine
Applied the scientific method to medicine.
200 years after invention of the scientific method
Prioritization & cost-Effectiveness
1968: the development of the quality-adjusted life year
1999:the establishment in the UK of the National Institute for Clinical Excellence
Global Poverty
1950s: Aid, as we know it, began via government and NGOs
Scientific Method began later
Long period with aid where the discussions were largely people from the armchair having disputes
Evidence replaced armchair debates
There's no more argument about that now because people actually just worked out the answer.
Giving What We Can: 10% Pledge
Give Well - Charity Evaluator
Combing with good ventures
Rationalism
The aims of the rationalist community
helping people to have more accurate beliefs about the world and helping people to better achieve those aims, whatever their aims are.
Overcoming Bias 2006
LessWrong in 2009
wanted to get quantitative about charity
Utilitarianism
e.g,. Felicifia
“Should we give now or should we invest the money and give later when you can give more?”
Animal Welfare
Factory farming has only become widespread in the 1960s.
Peter Singer in 1970s made his rallying cry to say that this was really problematic and we needed to take a whole lot of personal action in order to stop it
Existential Risk
Natural risks, are actually quite small, less than a tenth of a percent per century
Human-made risks in 1950s and 60s with the development of thermonuclear weapon
As soon as that happened, there was an anti-nuclear community in my parents' generation that was part of it.
Non-'EA' Facilitators
Education
There's much more mathematical and scientific literacy in the world
internet
It's enabled people with this mindset to find each other and build a community
Data
there's much more information about what's effective now
impact
It's only relatively recently that we've been able to do so much
Global poverty
We've only really been able to help since the 1950s
Prior to 1950s
state-based aid was actually imperial aid through the British Empire, prior to World War II.
NGOs didn't exist.
it was missionaries that you could fund.
Vision of EA
Change in Attitude
When we look at factory farming, when we look at existential risks, are problems that really just are about people's attitudes.
We don't need to have factory farms. We don't need to be taking risks with the long-run future of the human race.
Humility & Courage to speak up
How 'easy' it is to be oblivious to serious moral problems e.g.:
Atrocities like slavery, the deplorable treatment of foreigners, the subjugation of women, the persecution of people who aren't heterosexual, the persecution of animals today
Aristotle spent his entire life dedicated to thinking about how to lead an ethical life, and it just didn't occur to him that maybe keeping slaves was the wrong thing to do.
Cause X
What are the sorts of major moral problems that in several hundred years we'll look back and think
"Wow, we were barbarians!"? What are the major issues that we haven't even conceptualised today?
Intellectual Visionaries
Continued pursuit of Truth
How can we help others as much as possible?
How can we do the most good?
Not
ideology
set of prescriptions,
body of facts
set of recommended charities
list of preferred causes
The Possibility of an Ongoing Moral Catastrophe (Summary)
Follow the link as there is already a summary
On "fringe" ideas
What makes EA, EA?
Humility & Invitation for Debate
Imagine EA had existed at various other moments in history.
Would we have been doing any good, or would we have been too stuck in the assumptions of the time period?
Would an effective altruist movement in the 1840s U.S. have been abolitionist?
Would an effective altruist movement in the 1920s U.S. have been eugenicist?
I want us to be a community that wouldn’t have kicked them out
imagine someone walked into that 1840s EA group and said,
‘I think black people are exactly as valuable as white people and it should be illegal to discriminate against them at all,”
Imagine someone walked into the 1920s EA group and said
“I think gay rights are really important.”
Open to the idea that our society is very wrong about important things
Healthy Attitude
How hard it is to arrive at true understandings of things, and how complicated and detailed reality is.
This has made it a lot easier for me to look at people who I feel are totally wrong-headed and be glad they’re trying, and hopeful that there’s some productive fruit down the path they’re walking
Verified Action
Actually be doing things that benefit the people who need it most.
Donations moved through GiveWell to top charities increased to $65 million.
If that number wasn’t impressive, and wasn’t increasing, I would be worried that we were failing as a community.
Continually monitoring for signs that the things we’re doing are actually doing harm, under lots of possible worldviews.
Warning signs
If recipients aren’t happy
efforts increase suffering, even if it’s in some weird way that’s hard to take seriously
forces systematically ensuring we don’t hear from recipients
Altruistic & Evidence-based Intention
'if something is an argument for caring more about entities who are widely regarded as not worthy of such care, then even if the argument sounds pretty absurd, I am supportive of some people doing research into it. And if they’re doing that research with the intent of increasing everyone’s well-being and flourishing as much as possible, then they’re part of our movement’
Complimentary Action
I hope most of our efforts are dedicated to doing solid, clearly important things
At the same time, I hope we have space to hear out more speculative things
The case for caring about animal welfare
Factory Farming – 80,000 Hours Problem Profile
This post excludes wild animal welfare
Humility - Acknowledging Past Moral Mistakes
human sacrifice, gladiatorial combat, public executions, witch hunts, and slavery
Why care?
When to morally consider?
If you can make others better off — i.e. increase wellbeing — that’s a good thing to do.
It’s even better to make more individuals better off than fewer.
This is true equally, no matter who those individuals are (as long as, and to the extent that, they are capable of wellbeing).
The hedonistic view
where what matters is the degree of positive vs negative experienced mental states (e.g. happiness vs pain)
The preference satisfaction view
where wellbeing means getting what you (perhaps most deeply) want
Objective list theories
where wellbeing consists of achieving things on a ‘list’ of objectively good states or events, e.g. friendship, knowledge, happiness, love, virtue, wisdom, and health
Nonhuman Animals are probably sentient
Broad similarity with humans
Neurobiological features
e.g., a large brain and a centralised, complex nervous system.
Clear and complex nociception
the physical states and behaviours associated with feeling pain in humans
For example, having fibres that respond to dangerous stimuli (known as “nociceptors”), protective behaviour like wound guarding or limping, responding to painkillers, and learning to avoid things that cause nociceptors to fire.
Other indicators of cognitive ability
like play behaviour89, grief behaviour, mirror self-recognition, tool use, language capabilities, or theory of mind.

Scale
Kill 1.5-4.5 Trillions of farmed animals / year
Trying to compare nonhuman farmed animal deaths to human deaths would be 60 million to 800 billion humans per year
Similar to scale of the immediate consequences of a large nuclear war.
Over the course of a few decades is something like 100 times larger than the scale of the immediate consequences of a large nuclear war.
Vertebrates (e.g. cows, chickens, fish)
Kill somewhere between 400 billion and 3 trillion vertebrates
Most for food, few for sports, experiments
probably 120–210 billion vertebrates alive in farms at any given time
Invertebrates (e.g. octopuses, insects, crabs, snails, shrimp)
1.6–4.5 trillion farmed animals killed per year
350–700 billion animals alive in farms at any given time
Suffering during living
Poor methods for pre-slaughter stunning, and for slaughter itself
Extremely crowded and dirty living conditions
High rates of disease and injury
Particularly poor conditions during transport
Occasional withdrawals of food and water for extended periods
High rates of painful procedures, often carried out without anaesthetic
~95% in factory farms i.e., bad welfare conditions

Trend is increasing

Neglectedness
Approx. 3,000 people working on reducing factory farming suffering
Approx. $400 million dedicated
Comparing with global development (around $70 billion) or climate change (around $60 billion).
Tractability
Development of a really good alternative to meat
Competitive with meat on price, taste, and convenience
Smart
Stop advocating to prevent even more suffering
Anima International were campaigning to end live sales of carp in Poland.
They became worried about carp being replaced with salmon, a carnivorous fish, and as a result increasing the number of fish farmed overall — and so ended their campaign.
Animal agriculture industry won’t fight
Technologies to prevent the conception of male chicks or immunocastration for piglets
Could substantially improve the lives of farmed animals — and many have only small costs for farmers (e.g. in-ovo-sexing, which ensures all chicks born are female, increases the costs of egg production by around 1–3 cents per egg).
Leverage
Corporate Campaigns
companies such as Burger King, Unilever, and Chipotle have agreed to the Better Chicken Commitment, switching to higher-welfare slaughter methods and slower-growing breeds of broiler chicken
Animal Rights
Alternative proteins
Cultured Meat
Facilitators
Economic Efficiency
Hindrances
Taste
Cost of change
Infrastructure Change
Social Norms
Familiarity
Food Safety
Religion
Strategies for improving animal welfare
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